Knowing
- Biblical modesty instruction as tied to female submission
- 1 Peter 3:1-4, 1 Timothy 2:9-10
- Proverbs: nagging wives and leaky roofs; Proverbs 31:30
- Beauty and deception: Woman’s inconstancy as literary tradition
- Still no objective readings; the importance of recognizing our presuppositions
- Is this definition of modesty primarily a Protestant phenomenon?
- Pure Fashion: http://www.purefashion.com/
- LifeTeen: http://lifeteen.com/
- Catholic emphasis on mutual, God-oriented modesty (sometimes)
Reading
- http://givenbreath.com/2013/09/03/fyi-if-youre-a-teenage-girl/
- Women and girls are visual, too!
- Where’s the grace?
- Mrs. Hall’s follow-up post: http://givenbreath.com/2013/09/19/burning-down-the-house/
- Some thoughts on the timing of the follow-up post
- Christianity and dichotomized gender
- Waffles and spaghetti
- “The opposite of love is not hate, but use”
- Our personal experiences with modesty and shame
- http://natepyle.com/seeing-a-woman/
- What Pyle does right
Passing On
- http://www.theologyofthebody.net/ (This website links to the Christopher West commentaries and others that Sarah mentions)
- TerKeurst, Lysa. Unglued: Making Wise Choices in the Midst of Raw Emotions. Zondervan: Grand Rapids, 2012.
- http://www.thesocraticproject.com/2013/01/22/1024/
Another great episode! Kudos especially for featuring Hall’s follow-up post. If I had to rely on the Internet rage-machine to keep me up to speed, I wouldn’t have known that she ever revisited the issue.
Alright, so I’m inclined to request another episode, as I did last time: how about one engaging the respective strong points and blind spots of some of the more frequented feminist websites (feministing, jezebel, and such)? But before you go there, I am interested in hearing the crew’s take on Piper and Driscoll. I’ll admit that I’ve intentionally kept myself ignorant of those two’s work in particular, largely because I’ve got too many friends who love them and too many who hate them, but I’m still interested to see how other folks evaluate ’em.
Keep up the good work! Looking forward to the next episode!
ngilmour Good ideas, Nate. I think we’ll definitely cover Driscoll (I want to read the book he and his wife wrote on sex and marriage) in the future, and probably Piper and Harris as well–the whole Biblical Manhood cohort. I hadn’t thought about an episode on the feminist blogosphere, but that’s a great suggestion. Thanks for listening!
Thanks for a great episode, I have thoroughly enjoyed them both.
It was interesting to hear from the Roman Catholic perspective. When she was describing her experience, I was reminded of something I recently heard a high church Anglican say regarding low church traditions and women. He attributed a large part of it to their rejection of a high view of Mary, despite the fact that the traditions that do also reject women’s ordination to the priesthood. In addition, I have friends who are Orthodox who have intimated that this theology does bring a difference in perspective that is healthier in gender issues. I have no way of verifying or denying these ideas, but they do provide some interesting food for thought!
CarterS Thanks for adding to the conversation, and for listening! We may discuss such issues on a future show covering Complimentarianism and Egalitarianism.
I’m nearly through the second episode, and I’ve really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work: I’m looking forward to future episodes!
Alex P Thanks for listening, Alex!
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